066: When Life Breaks the Plan | How to Find the Strength to Keep Moving

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1:45 SPEAKER_02: And I have a very special guest joining me for this one. I am so, so excited. But like always, I like starting with a question. So, what do you do when the life you planned disappears, not gets delayed, not gets harder, disappears. Because there are moments in life when positive thinking just isn't enough. There are moments when motivation isn't enough. There are moments when somebody telling you you've got this doesn't actually tell you how to keep going. And that's what we're talking about today, because Micus has faced circumstances that would make most people question whether there is anything left to rebuild.

2:30 SPEAKER_02: Jay Sitchell is a marine veteran, an entrepreneur, author, speaker, and a man who has survived three clinical deaths, more than 70 surgeries, paralysis, and decades of circumstances that could have easily became the end of his story. But here's what fascinates me Jay didn't just survive. He continued to build businesses, relationships, a family, a book, a purpose, a future. And today we're going beyond this story. We're going to ask how do you actually keep moving when life doesn't give you the outcome you wanted?

3:14 SPEAKER_02: How do you deal with fear? How do you rebuild your identity? What happens when your body changes? What happens when your plans change? How do you find purpose when you're exhausted? And perhaps the biggest question: how do you know when you're supposed to persevere and when you're supposed to change direction? Jay, welcome to the Warriors Haven podcast. How are you, my friend?

3:38 SPEAKER_01: Hey Jay, I'm glad to be here, young lady.

3:44 SPEAKER_02: I want to start somewhere different. I don't want to start with an accident. I don't want to start with the surgeries. I want to start with something happening to people all over the world right now. People are tired. They're overwhelmed. They're uncertain. They're watching the world change around them. They're dealing with financial pressure, family problems, career changes, health challenges, relationship changes, information overload. And many people are quietly asking themselves, how much more can I take?

4:17 SPEAKER_02: You've lived through circumstances that would test anybody. So let me ask you this what have you learned about the difference between being tired and being defeated?

4:35 SPEAKER_01: I don't feel I've ever been defeated, Jay. I don't ever. No, I I'm not number number one, I think that's an option. That's a choice. And I've not I've I've elected to make the choice to not be defeated. And tired is when you want to lay down and you can go to sleep pretty quick after you say thank you to the Lord for keeping you there that day and helping you get through tomorrow. And I I just I don't that's to me, that's personally. So that's about the best I can tell you.

5:12 SPEAKER_02: Oh wow, thank you for that. So how can someone recognize I need rest versus I need to quit?

5:24 SPEAKER_01: I think it's a burning desire inside of you. I think that, I mean, that's how I you're you know, you're gonna get it from me the way I see it, and everybody's got a different opinion. I uh well, maybe not everybody's got a different opinion, but there's a lot of different opinions. I I just think if you've got a burning desire to succeed, you have a passion to keep moving forward, God's given you that ability to do so, you just don't quit. You just don't quit. And and and your body will tell you when it's tired.

5:57 SPEAKER_01: And tired and defeated are two totally different things in my book. So I just do you accept it or not? And I'm not gonna accept it. I'm gonna run towards a sound of fire and I'm gonna go do it. I'm not, I don't okay, bring it on, and that that's just how I look at it.

6:20 SPEAKER_02: Oh, I love that. I love that. So, Mr. J, you use the phrase it's always too soon to quit. But I want to challenge you on that. What does that phrase actually mean? Because I want somebody listening to us who is struggling to think that resilience means pretending everything is okay. So, can you explain the difference between resilience and denial?

6:47 SPEAKER_01: Wow, I don't know, I've never been asked that. Um to me, resilience is just the the body or your mind being educated by all the hardships you've had to achieve and go through or move over, uh uh things you've had to accomplish, whether it's stepping on a nail, whether it's it's it's it's being clinically dead and coming back and and or whether it's uh a financial failure, a divorce. I've been through um three divorces. I mean, I uh it just one was almost fifty-five fifty some years ago. So it's you know a lot of things happen in time, but I don't I I just failure was the other one.

7:48 SPEAKER_01: That was the other part. Failure I I think that's I I I get I Jay, I'm gonna get back to the same thing. I think failure is something that you are going to allow yourself to accept. And I'm not going to accept failure. Failure is not in my book. The word quit is not in my book, stop is not my book, don't is not my book. It just doesn't exist. I don't know how to spell them, I'm not going to accept it, and I'm going to move forward. I I believe that your perseverance is the strength that you have within you as a person, whether that's been developed from church, your parents, your friends, uh hardships, tough times.

8:34 SPEAKER_01: Um what whatever you've been through develops a strength with inside of you and everybody out there, everybody listening has strengths within them. Maybe it came from irritation, frustration, aggravation, pain. To me, pain, I'm in a lot of pain virtually all the time. And I let pain be a motivator. And I also know that pain isn't as bad when we're having a discussion because my mind's on something else. It's not on the pain. And if that person listening thinks about it, when you go into that dark room on a stormy night and the electricity's out and you've got nothing to think about but yourself, you're gonna hurt worse than if you were with a group of people and you're having a cocktail or you're just enjoying conversation or you're playing a game, your mind is off of it.

9:30 SPEAKER_01: So I think there's a there's an old saying, it's like busy hands, busy mind. So if you stay busy doing things and accomplishing tasks and seeing success, or even seeing what some people term defeat. But to me, defeat doesn't define failure. Failure is when you've not learned anything from it. I have, I guess by some of that definition, Jay, I have failed, but I've never failed. I have never failed because I've always learned something from what happened. If I've learned something, then it's not a failure.

10:07 SPEAKER_01: You've learned something and you have to take that out of it. But every little thing you go through adds to your ability to be stronger internally, inside, in your heart, in your faith, in your mind, and always continue to push forward. And that's perseverance.

10:26 SPEAKER_02: Oh, I love that. I love that. Yeah, and I can see the connection between the perseverance and resiliency, where you you have to, you kind of have to keep moving forward, just kind of chipping away at it. And I think it goes like we've been saying here on the podcast, the mindset, you know, of what you're thinking about and what it is that you're going through and not accepting, you know, anything but the outcome that you're actually going for, despite the trials and tribulations. And so, Mr. Jay, what would you say to somebody who says, Jay, I'm not afraid of working hard.

11:00 SPEAKER_02: I'm just tired of working hard and not seeing anything change. How do you answer that person?

11:06 SPEAKER_01: I I'm gonna I'm gonna go back to a so a comment I was gonna make, a couple comments, and I think that will answer both questions. Okay. And it's very simple, Jay. Number number one, I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna go with this first of all. Okay, there was a man named by the name, you ever heard of a man named, or anybody out there heard of a man named Ted Geisel? Yes. Okay, you've heard him, I think you and I talked about it actually. So for the people in the audience, Ted Geisel wrote children's books, and he wrote children's books, a lot of children's books.

11:36 SPEAKER_01: And he and when he got done, he and he kept going on the years after, but he went to publishers and he went to 22 different publishers over a length of time and different cities, different states, and he just couldn't get published. But one night he went home and he changed his last name to his mother's maiden name, and he became Dr. Seuss. What if he would have quit? So that gets back to perseverance, yields resilience, gets back to your last question. And that being like somebody that's a master stonecrafter or sculptor.

12:10 SPEAKER_01: What if they've they've they've been pounding away with their little, I can't think of that wooden mallet that's called but with a chisel, and you're tapping on the stone, and you've got a perfect sculpture, like it's Leonardo da Vinci or somebody, and they got this perfect sculpture, it's absolutely immaculate, and they got this one little stone right on the tip of their nose yet, and they they've been tapping and tapping, and they've been working at it in different angles, and they're tapping and they're tapping, and they just don't quit.

12:40 SPEAKER_01: And on the 10,432nd tap, it comes off and it's perfect, it is perfect. It's been blessed by the Lord, it's beautiful, it's what everyone wanted. But what if he would have quit? Now, was it the first tap that he made that actually started the process, or was it the 10,314th hit that took it off? I think it's from the first one to the end because he never quit trying. So it's that that perseverance, it's that it's that it answers that second question you uh asked, I believe. Just you can't quit because you don't know the end result.

13:20 SPEAKER_01: It's like having faith. To me, you know, you can hope or wish. That's cool, that sounds good. Throw a penny in the fountain and make a wish, but you don't have the faith. Faith is to me, and I think a good definition of it is the faith of things that are to be that are yet unseen, and you're going to make happen. You've got to have the faith that you can make it through this and you will. And I've got some good examples of that.

13:49 SPEAKER_02: Yeah. Oh, I love that. Thank you. So I love what everything you just said and how you painted that picture for us because one of the biggest lessons I want people to understand today is that resilience isn't simply the ability to withstand pain, it's the ability to keep making meaningful decisions inside the pain. And that brings us to fear. So, Mr. J, you faced situations where fear wasn't theoretical. There were moments where your life was literally on the line. But most people listening aren't facing those exact circumstances you faced.

14:27 SPEAKER_02: They're facing something different. They're afraid of losing a job, starting a business, leaving a relationship, getting older, failing publicly, being judged, starting over, making the wrong decision. And sometimes fear becomes so loud that people stop moving. So my question is what did extreme circumstances teach you about fear that ordinary life could never?

15:01 SPEAKER_01: A lot of my answers are very simple, Jay. And that's if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. Deal with it. Deal with it, suck it up, move forward. And in and and I've been through three divorces now. I've been through life, I've been through many setbacks that others wouldn't want either. Or I've taken the challenge on to make sure that they don't happen, which a lot of people wouldn't do and put that that that effort into. So I I know they're out there, but people need to understand life isn't perfect, life isn't designed to be perfect.

15:47 SPEAKER_01: God gave us, He gave us the strength to get through it. We have to believe in ourselves, we have to work towards it, we need to make, you know, we are all products, ultimately, we are all products of our choices and our decisions. And a choice and a decision are two different things. A choice is like in the morning, do I have hot tea or hot coffee? Or do I have cold lemonade or a cold beer for some people? I don't think a beer is a good choice in the morning, but hey, I probably did when I was younger once or twice when I was back in the you know 55 years ago.

16:29 SPEAKER_01: But what what you decide to choose is your decision. You have to realize that there's a big difference between that, but but fear I think fear is something like to just to put it into layman's terms, it's like age. It's gonna happen. There's nothing you can do to stop it, there's nothing that you can do to avoid it. It's gonna happen. Are you going to embrace what the change is, or are you not going to? If it's fear to me, I'm gonna run towards the sound of it, I'm gonna run towards it, and I'm gonna attack it, but I'm gonna attack it with knowledge I've learned over many decades that have been that are wisdom that have been learned and earned over 76 going on 77 years of life.

17:22 SPEAKER_01: And I think that's about the best I can do with it. I I I probably can say more, but I'm not gonna get any stronger point across. Then then face it, deal with it, and understand that it's going to happen. It's going to it's like the sun's gonna come up tomorrow, whether we want it to or not. Yeah, and pray all day about it. We can wish it would, we wish it comes up in the south, but it's gonna come up in the east. It it just is. So if you look at it like that, it's gonna happen anyhow. What are you gonna do about it?

17:58 SPEAKER_01: Are you gonna accept it and move forward with it and do the best you can or not?

18:04 SPEAKER_02: Oh, I love that. I love that. So, Mr. J, I want to make this practical. Someone listening, um, they say, I know exactly what I want to do, but I'm scared. What are the first three questions that you would tell them to ask themselves?

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18:22 SPEAKER_00: Why do you want to do it?

18:29 SPEAKER_00: Who's it gonna benefit?

18:34 SPEAKER_01: And how's it gonna benefit? I think those are three questions that people need to understand. They will get further in life helping other people, helping them with a problem they have, and why are they doing it for themselves? To learn more so they can help more people down the road. I think I think those three questions, I think cover a lot of ground.

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19:04 SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying they're the perfect three questions, but I believe that they give you a good sense of direction, it gives you a good sense of accomplishment. Because if you do what we just said, those questions, you you're you're satisfying your needs, you're satisfying their needs, and and the outcome is good for everybody.

19:30 SPEAKER_02: Oh, I love those questions, those are some powerful questions, and you know, they kind of help you clear out through the noise, too. So I appreciate those three questions. So, Mr. J, I want to ask you, how do you distinguish between this is dangerous and I should stop, and this is uncomfortable and I need to move forward anyway?

19:53 SPEAKER_01: Oh, I don't know. I've I've picked some pretty bad, dangerous ones. I don't know if I'm qualified to answer that. Oh um uncomfortable would probably to me just to make it an easy, and I'm looking outside, kind of seeing some of the sound. To me, uncomfortable is when you've been in the sun too long and you're starting to get a sunburn and you're starting to feel it, and you kind of know it, and you can kind of sense it. Uh uh dangerous is putting your hand in the fireplace, you know, and letting it sit there.

20:33 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just not a lot of common sense. I so I think really you need to use some common sense about it. To what to what degree is where does it go from uncomfortable to dangerous? Okay, it uncomfortable might be driving 50 and a 20, but driving 120 is stupid.

20:58 SPEAKER_01: So I I you know, uh you have some time to react at 40 or 50 and a 20, it depending on where you're at and what the story is going on. But I I I think that's probably the biggest thing, Jay, is uh is uncomfortable is where you're still questioning. Dangerous is holy crap, I am really screwed now. That's kind of where it is.

21:27 SPEAKER_02: I love it. I love it. You know, one thing I tell my team is you know, I I come from a military background. So uncomfortable is oh, that doesn't really feel so good right now, but I'm not dying. And then dangerous is lifelight. So I'm able to really find the big difference of uncomfortable, where it's like, doesn't really feel so good. But then is it life, limb, or high sight? And those are pretty big deals. So I'm able to kind of find that difference. So that's kind of what I'm kind of telling my team too.

22:00 SPEAKER_02: When they're bringing in issues and things from the business and all the things, I'm like, okay, is it just a little uncomfortable because we're not used to it? Or is it life limb or eyesight like somebody can probably die? You know, so um, Mr. J, I you've talked about responsibility and philosophy. And one of your quotes is if it is to be, it is up to me. How do you apply personal responsibility without it turning into self-blame? Because I think there's a huge distinction.

22:32 SPEAKER_00: What's self-blame? Explain that one to me.

22:38 SPEAKER_02: I think for me, self-blame is what you've kind of grown up in in your environment, and you think for it to be true. And so you kind of go about your life doing these things. And so when the outcome as we get older isn't what we're expecting, then we kind of blame ourselves. You know, I'm divorced as well. So it's the self-blame of um, you know, my son now is in a home without a dad. And then all of it's really my fault, and then understanding that there's so many more tears and layers to that, um, and really doing the work for that.

23:18 SPEAKER_02: So I want you to kind of help me with our audience in the world because I think in our world, so many people are really blaming themselves, but it's because of information that they've been told and have harvested for so many years. And as we peel the layers back, it's understanding that some of that information really isn't true. And, you know, applying our personal responsibility to it. So I'd like to get kind of your version to it on the distinction about it.

23:50 SPEAKER_01: Okay. Ask me the whole question over again now.

23:53 SPEAKER_02: Okay, so your your quote is if it is to be, it's up to me. How do you apply personal responsibility without turning it into self-blame?

24:07 SPEAKER_01: Well, the if it is to be, it may have been said by somebody else. I don't know. I've been saying it for since I was a kid, and and I did that because I started feeding calves when I was like four and a half years old with a nipple bucket, you know, keeping them alive. And my dad said, They're your calves, you got to feed them. So it was kind of like, well, if it's gonna happen, it's got my job. So if it is to be, it is up to me. My son, I've got a son that when he was about 15 and a half, was with my first wife many, many years ago, and he was going down an alleyway, and they had taken those eight-foot bulbs out of a grocery store and stuck them in a dumpster, but they didn't break them, they just set them in.

24:54 SPEAKER_01: Well, he and a couple of his buddies decided to launch them like javelins down the down the alleyway, and here comes a squad car and you know, pulls them over, right? And so, you know, his mother calls me and says, Hey, you gotta talk, talk to Aaron, you know. And you know, the best thing I could do at that time was tell him that number one, what the hell are you thinking about? That's the first thing. But you know, the thing is that I know that pretty soon you're gonna want your driver's license, and you gotta take a test, a written test, you gotta take a driving test, you gotta take a vision test.

25:33 SPEAKER_01: And I can't do those things for you.

25:35 SPEAKER_02: Right.

25:36 SPEAKER_01: And you're not even gonna have the opportunity to do that if you don't straighten up. But if it is, you're gonna have to do that. So if it is to be, it is up to me. There's certain things that you fall within it, but I don't I the self-blame side of it, I think that's just something, at least on my behalf, Jay, I just I've tried to do what I can do, the best I can do, for whom I can do it, and I don't feel that I'm to blame personally. It's something they didn't elect to listen to, act on, take care of, move forward with, or understand it was their responsibility.

26:26 SPEAKER_01: And a lot of times you can't just feel bad because something didn't go right, and and maybe that's what you saw when you were younger because you've had the opportunities as we get older to learn more, to see more, to understand more. If we didn't educate ourselves or accept those responsibilities, such as if it is to be, it is up to me. Um that's I don't think you can if you blame yourself, it's the easy way out.

27:02 unknown: Yeah.

27:02 SPEAKER_01: I think that's the easy way out. You you gotta accept the responsibility and and just deal with it. You know, that uh I think that's that's about the best I can come up with for you.

27:15 SPEAKER_02: Oh, I love that. I love that. And yeah, I think, you know, for many of us, it's understanding the responsibility and the roles that we play, you know, whether it's at work, whether it's at home, with our families, our friends. And just like you said, you know, we can't really control the outcome of the other person. We can just do our best to what we're able to bring to the table. And if it's not the outcome that you pictured in your mind, it's okay, you know, and to really stay away from that self-blame because the outcome wasn't X, Y, Z. Um, we do the best that we can with the information that we have at the time that we have it.

27:58 SPEAKER_02: And so I think, you know, being able to really walk that fine line of taking responsibility for what you're bringing and how you're conducting yourself, your behavior, your actions, and then, you know, the outcome that happens with whoever the other party is. And sometimes that's not on us. And you have to be okay to just kind of table that for a little bit.

28:20 SPEAKER_01: Well, I think some of that, Jay, I think some of that goes back to uh I'm gonna take, I'm gonna kind of guess that you're you're you're kind of going back a ways too. If you want, go back to your parents. Okay, were you given the best permit information that they had? Maybe not. Maybe maybe they didn't have it available. Maybe they I mean, I I grew up with a a a three-digit phone number on a seven-party line that you rang two fast and one slow to get up get the operator. Okay. And you know, if Edna Mae was on the line, you had to ask her to get off to begin with so you could do it.

29:02 SPEAKER_01: But that's what we had.

29:04 SPEAKER_00: Yeah.

29:05 SPEAKER_01: We didn't have cell phones that I can pick up today and call somebody in the middle of Timbuktu. Right. It's it's or I can see what direction is by getting my compass out or turn a flashlight on all on my phone. But I think that's a downfall a lot because a lot of people use this as an excuse now, rather than go out and live a life of meaning and learn and help other people. Because ultimately we're all here to work together to help other people, whatever we do, because God did not put us here alone ever.

29:45 SPEAKER_01: And I believe strongly, Jay, that the more people you help, the better person you become.

29:52 SPEAKER_02: I completely agree. Yes, yes. So and I think that's so, so important because taking ownership, you know, doesn't mean saying everything that happened to me was my fault. It means saying, I may not control what happened, but I have responsibility for what I do next. And I think that also segues to what you just said with the information from our parents, right? They did the best that they could with the information that they had during the time of us growing up. And so now it's up to me. Now it's up to me to apply.

30:25 SPEAKER_02: And I'm a disruptor in the space. So I'm gonna challenge, I'm gonna challenge thoughts, I'm gonna challenge, you know, and I want to see the science, I want to see the numbers that back these things. And it's my responsibility to take the information and apply it to what I do next. And that takes us directly into identity. And Mr. J, this is where I think your story becomes incredibly relevant to people who aren't necessarily dealing with physical paralysis. There's physical paralysis and then there's emotional paralysis, financial paralysis, fear paralysis, decision fight paralysis, identity paralysis.

31:01 SPEAKER_02: Sometimes people become trapped because they don't know who they are anymore. So, Mr. Jay, who were you before adversity? And who did adversity force you to become?

31:20 SPEAKER_01: Jay, I it may it may be hard for you to think that I'm telling you the truth on this, but I don't know that I've ever not faced adversity. I really I I can go back to my earliest memories and you know, when you're when you're mixing up powdered milk in a basement with warm water in a nipple pail to feed a calf and you're four and a half years old, that's not the adversity. The adversity is to go outside in the winter and it's 25 below zero and the wind's blowing, the snow sideways, and you've got to go, you know, 800 feet to feed the calf or two or three trips.

32:16 SPEAKER_01: Now, as much as it's cold then and the snow's blowing, in the summer the grass is two feet tall and it's 95 degrees. So you got both sides of it, but I I it it was kind of I I think I think a good example of this is I was raised with a lot of um or I realized, I guess, sense of urgency, responsibility, sense of ownership. Because if I didn't do it, it didn't get done. And and a lot of that being said, is you I saw the cycle of life, and I don't know how I can express this as how important it is.

33:05 SPEAKER_01: Because let's call the cycle of life in two or three different areas, real quick. One is you see the spring, the trees when they come out in the spring and they're budding out, they're pretty, maybe they have blossoms on some of them. Then they turn into full leaves, and it gets summer, it gets hot, you're seeking shade. Then later on, they turn colors, they're beautiful, they're gold, they're orange, they're red, whatever. And then later on, the leaves fall off, they're on the ground, they turn brown, and then those same branches are covered with snow and ice, and you know, so that's a cycle of life.

33:43 SPEAKER_01: It's going to happen. You must accept and acknowledge that you're going to go through a youth, middle age, older age. I'm in the I'm in the winter of my life. If nothing else, I got snow on my head or my hair curved. You know, but I I have to accept that. And I think the power to to being able to move ahead a lot of times, Jay, is being able to accept those issues and then figure out a way to deal with them. I recently just had a financial issue that wasn't desperate, but it was it made me uncomfortable.

34:28 SPEAKER_01: And before I even got to feeling uncomfortable, I was already thinking of a maraud of different things I could do, reach out, suggest, find, work on, or something to correct it. So before it gets to the point, you know, it's like when you're if it says last gas station for 100 miles and you're on one eighth of a tank, don't be stupid and drive the 100 miles. Okay. Take the opportunity and stop and get some gas. Put in five bucks. It doesn't well, five bucks only gets you a gallon anymore. But you know, but you know, um, but address it when you can to the best of your ability, and at least then you won't feel like you didn't do anything towards resolving the issue.

35:21 SPEAKER_02: Yeah. Oh, I do, and I I I completely agree with that. I think just like you said, taking it head on, you know what I mean? It's it's something that you just it's there, it's in the present. Okay, you know, let's let's dissect it, let's take it apart, let's figure this out, and let's come up with the solutions to try to try to implement and try to fix things. So now Mr. Jim, I kind of want to turn this just a little bit because like we do have friends all over the world. And I want you to help me here.

35:51 SPEAKER_02: When somebody's identity is connected to their job, their body, their marriage, their business, their military service, their ability to provide or their independence. What happens when one of those things disappears? How do you rebuild an identity when the thing you used to identify yourself by is gone?

36:16 SPEAKER_01: Just I I have had that happen to me so many times, it's hard to explain. I I couldn't explain it on this show. We could be here for four days. I can't explain it. So I thoroughly understand what you're saying. I grew up thinking not that I would be a cowboy or a fireman, which was real popular in the 50s, but I grew up thinking I would farm a good-sized farm, feed cattle, fly airplanes, which I had done. I so started flying when I was 14 by myself, and then to die in the Marine Corps and spend a year in a hospital, that took away that entire dream.

36:58 SPEAKER_01: It was gone forever. Not kind of, not maybe, it was gone. It was done. So or or let's jump to the the third time I left this earth, and that's when I broke my neck in four places and drowned, and I was paralyzed from the shoulders down. I mean, it took away what I was doing then. It took it away. I mean, it didn't it didn't go slowly, it was gone, and it was gone in some instances forever. So I you you you have to work with what you've got, you have to deal with what you have present. And if nothing else, I tell people, would you rather have your body working perfectly from the shoulders down and your head being just a discombobulated mass of nothing?

37:56 SPEAKER_01: Right, or would you rather have a brain that worked and could function and think like Stephen Hawking was an incredibly amazing individual, knew more about outer space than all a NASA put together times 20? And he was and he couldn't move, he couldn't dress himself, he talked through his tracheotomy like I've got here, and and and and so use your head. You know, uh think about it, you know, and I understand the question. It's like, what if what if you're a laborer? What if you're you're working in a factory?

38:31 SPEAKER_01: What if you're doing something that requires both hands? Well, I did that my whole life until I broke my neck, and now I've got a hand that doesn't work. Okay, it's here, it's not cut off, but it doesn't it may as well be cut off. It doesn't do anything. I mean, I can reach over here and kind of scratch to get my napkin moved over here or you know, my headset or something, but I I can't use it, so I'm missing it's guys that I've got several good friends that were, you know, uh EOD, they're missing a leg or both legs, some farther down and some farther up than others, but they don't have any back pain, of which I've had 15 lumbar surgeries, and they don't have any back, but they get around like they just get around like crazy.

39:21 SPEAKER_01: It's nuts, but they're missing part of their body. I I've got my legs, but they don't work, so what good does it do? Except now I've got to, you know, and they make fun of me. They joke with me, they don't make fun of me, they joke with me, you know, like Travis. Travel say, I could just take my legs off and throw them over there and hop into bed. I you can drag your legs into bed with you, and they still don't do you any good. So why don't you leave them on the floor? You know, I've got to think about that, but it's all a joke, it's a joke among men that have served and that do.

39:55 SPEAKER_01: And you know, or or it should be that way no matter what. So no matter what you've got, count what you got left, not what you lost.

40:07 SPEAKER_02: Oh, I love that. That is a powerful message, and I hope whoever is listening to this episode replays exactly what you just said, because it's not where you've been and what you had. It's what you've learned and what you have and what you can apply moving forward. And I think for me, one of the biggest transitions for me was leaving the army and not being a drill sergeant anymore. And that was such a hard transition because it was something as a young kid, as a as you know, a new trainee in the military.

40:44 SPEAKER_02: It's what I wanted to be, it's what I wanted for so many years. And then I finally accomplished it. And I was finally that drill sergeant. And then retirement out of the military, no uniform, no boots, no hat. And so relearning to identify myself. And like I tell all my friends and you know, everybody in the space that I get to talk to, I will always be an American soldier and I will always be the drill sergeant. You know what I mean? And so I get to on my podcast, I get to be your favorite drill sergeant.

41:15 SPEAKER_02: And so, still a part of me that I will always have. And I hope it's on my obituary. I hope my son puts it on there, you know, the second paragraph on my obituary that people can still read. Um, but Mr. J, you've continued building businesses and projects despite physical limitations like you just shared with us. What do you think people misunderstand about the relationship between limitations and possibility?

41:55 SPEAKER_01: They're similar, but there's a huge difference. And I don't believe that people have the limitations that they really think they do because it's a mental thing a lot of times. I have lim okay, if we're gonna look at limitations, let's look at limitations like Jay. Me. Yeah, okay, legs don't work, armed. I got a little bit of bicep, very little bit, no tricep. Shoulder works a little bit, hand doesn't work, my other arm is fused at the wrist, at this and this. So I don't have a whole lot, but I'm not gonna let that limit my possibilities.

42:34 SPEAKER_01: My possibilities are that I can move something like yesterday. I moved a bunch of boxes that weighed about 85 to 100 pounds, and I used it with my wheelchair, my power wheelchair. I got my I got the boxes turned enough, I scooted around like a bulldozer, I used my wheelchair, I put it on low, and I use my controller, and and I don't I can't use a joystick, so I've got this little thing that looks like a T-post and a football, you could, you know, a goal post, and and and my I set my hand in it and I guided the boxes around till I got where I was going.

43:08 SPEAKER_01: So, you know, if there's a will, there's a way. Yeah, and I will find the way because I have the will, and I think that's very, very important. So, limitations. What are what are your limitations? You cannot give me a limitation that can keep you from doing something that has a possibility of being done. You cannot do it. I challenge you to do it.

43:32 SPEAKER_02: Wow. Oh, I love that. That is so powerful, and I think something that so many people need to hear because, you know, in our world nowadays, it's you know, flowing around so freely. We think we can't do so many things, but like you said, it's the mindset. You know, if you want to do it, you have a goal, you have a dream, you have a vision, then go do it, you know. And I'm very passionate about that. And that's something I think we can get on another subject and talk about. Um, but Mr. J, you've talked about moving forward five feet at a time.

44:05 SPEAKER_02: So let's make that incredibly practical. If someone's life feels completely overwhelming right now, what does five feet look like? Can you give us an example?

44:17 SPEAKER_01: I can give you a perfect example. How about an inch at a time? And everybody, I think, most people know what a parallel bars are in a rehab center. Okay. When I watched the people that had the capability or ability to start to learn to walk at the parallel bars, I noticed everybody always looked down at their feet and they looked at their hands shuffling along those steel rods. And everybody looked at their feet. Just that's all they did. They just looked down at just shuffle, shuffle, shuffle. Well, uh, when I finally got to that point through rehab, which was months and months, and my right hand didn't work, so they would put it on the bar and use an ace bandage to tie it to the bar.

45:04 SPEAKER_01: And then my left hand worked better so I could hold on. And you know, and most of your audience knows behind you they follow you with a wheelchair in case you fall backwards, and in front of you, they got a gate built on you, and somebody's in front of you in case you fall forward. So they're probably gonna drop you, but you know, with with all hopefulness, they don't. Anyhow, my point is for an example, is this inch by inch, I had watched everybody, and I knew I knew I had faith, Jay, that I was gonna walk before my left arm moved.

45:40 SPEAKER_01: And it was months away, but I had faith. So, number one, you got to have faith. Number two, when I got to that bar, I sat there and I don't know what the bars were, 10 feet long, 12 feet long. They were a long way in reality, but they were more than five feet. But everybody did it a quarter of an inch at a time, if they even did that much. When I sat there, I did nothing but look at a goal, and the goal was the end of the bar. That's where I'm going. I'm not going an inch at a time, I'm not gonna shuffle along.

46:13 SPEAKER_01: I am going to the end of the bar. And that's what I did. Not the first time, not the second time or third time, but that's what I always had in goal. It's always aiming out there. If you only ever want to shoot 50 yards with an M14, well, M AR, M4, whatever they got now, because they've changed over the years. But if you can only shoot 50 yards, where the hell are you gonna shoot at 500 with open sites? We did. I was expert. I mean, and there were a lot of other experts out there. But the point is, don't look now, don't look here, don't look at the present, look at the future.

46:53 SPEAKER_01: Where do you want to go? What's it gonna take? What mental positive attitude, the mindset, guts, grit, determination, perseverance, tenacity, discipline. I don't care what word you use, what's it going to take to do it? Do you have the guts to do it or do you not? If you don't, then quit. And if you want to do it, then go for it because you can accomplish it. You have to believe it and you have to know you can do it. Reach out, reach out and ask for help. That's one of the biggest things people don't do anymore.

47:31 SPEAKER_01: Reach out and ask for help. You know, there's a there's an old saying about old men like me. It's the first half of life is what you know, the second half is who you know. And I have people reach out to me all the time saying, Jay, can you get this done or can you do this or can you whatever they say? And maybe I don't have the answer, but I say, you know what? Let me reach out to a couple of people that I think can help. And I make a phone call. People I've known for 30 years or 40 years or 20 years, you know.

48:02 SPEAKER_01: I've got I've got a little story. I mean, to me, it's a success story, and I would like to share it real quick. I had a a lady I've known about 10 years, she's got a son that's 54 now. I've met him a couple of times. Uh, he was in the Coast Guard, um, but he fell here about three weeks ago, fell down, hit his head pretty bad. They took him to Brooks Army Medical Center here in San Antonio, the Bamsey Burn Center. But they took in, they took out the side of his head, they took out a grapefruit, a large grapefruit size piece of his skull.

48:35 SPEAKER_01: And they've got him at a rehab clinic now. And this lady called me the other day, and I had she couldn't get into the hospital to see him. It was like a four-hour wait, and then they had to fill all his paperwork. And but if they had a sponsor, which was somebody that was retired and or 100% and had been there, they could get in. So she called me out of the blue, and I said, sure, not a problem. And this one guy wanted a whole bunch of info and done and emails and all this crap. And I said, put me out with somebody that's in charge.

49:09 SPEAKER_01: And they finally got this gal who was an E7 Air Force. And uh I said, ma'am, just just pull me up. I gave her my social, pull me up, it'll come up, Sergeant Satchel J. You know, USMC retired, 100%. And sure as within eight or 10 seconds, boom, she said, okay, that's as good as gold. They're in. Boom. Well, she called me night, uh, no, third Thursday night or Friday night, I don't remember. Then I went Friday or Saturday, but she called and she said, Jay, Paul, her son, is in this rehab clinic and he's he's uh he he he doesn't care if he lives.

49:50 SPEAKER_01: He just doesn't care if he lives. And and I I don't know what to do. And I'm terrified, I'm worried, I love him, I know that he's got his issues, whatever the case may be. But the thing is, you know, and and and it would mean the world to me and beyond if you would talk with him. I said, done deal, done deal, not a problem. So I, you know, that next day and I went over and and we had a good conversation. I had met him once or twice. And we but we we talked, we got into the depth of the subject, we got into what he was doing, what caused it, where is it going?

50:27 SPEAKER_01: I didn't avoid the problem, I didn't avoid the subject. I nailed it straight head on, and and I know that he was proud to have been in the Coast Guard. And the Coast Guards quite literally, uh, their their boot camp is really rated number two hardest behind the Marine Corps, and and it's a tough son of a bitch, you know. And so I, you know, we address that. So I ordered him the other night. I have I'm gonna take it to him tomorrow because tomorrow I can get. And I I bought I got a Coast Guard veteran cap and you know, proudly served it, and it's a nice looking cover, you know.

51:02 SPEAKER_01: I'm and but I'm gonna take I now I know he can't wear it because he's got that piece of his skull missing, but he's getting that back in three weeks, and they're gonna re-attach it. But the the point is it gives him a point of pride. Yeah, if you can hit him in his heart, hit him in his pride, hit him in his and he's not, he's kind of on his outs with his uh son that's like 18, 17 or 18. And I said, Paul, you know, you you can't give up on these people. Are you a quitter? You don't have did the ghost guard not show you anything?

51:35 SPEAKER_01: Did your mother never show you anything? Really? Serious? What about when your son's seven or eight years older and he's married and you got a little a little granddaughter, a little grandson? Do that. Do you want not want to hold him? Do you want to hug him? You like to go out and play baseball with him or something? And I can't, but I'd love. But think about that. So we went through the whole gamut, and when I left, he was like, you know, I said Semper Fi, you know, and he said Semper Eratus, or what I can't remember what the the Coast Guard is Semper something, too.

52:09 SPEAKER_01: And you know, and but he felt better about it. And his mom called me. I left her about 5 30, either Friday night, Saturday, Friday or Saturday, I don't recall. And she called me about 9 30 and was crying. Wow. She'd stopped and she said he had tears and said, I'm glad Jay stopped. That he he he got on me, he chewed me out. Yeah. Mad at me. But he wasn't mad at me because we we smiled and we laughed. But he he he gave me a vision of something I haven't seen in a long time, and that's just what it took.

52:51 SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna go back again and again and again until he gets his act together and comes around and he's good. So to me, that's what the hell we're here for, right? You know, you can be hard, but you can be you can be sweet at the same time. You should know that, oh, yeah.

53:13 SPEAKER_02: And that actually brings me to this next topic. So I'm really happy that you actually shared that story because, Jay, that is something that comes up repeatedly in conversation about your life and is the role of other people and family, faith, communities, um, people who help people, people who encouraged you, and people who showed up during difficult seasons. And I think the world has a loneliness problem. People can have hundreds or thousands of followers and still feel completely alone. Can you tell us what role does community play in resilience?

53:50 SPEAKER_01: I don't think it plays the role that it used to. I think the community of today is gone largely. Um 40, 50 years ago, 60 years ago, you knew the person who lived 10 miles from you in the country. Today you don't. Uh 60 years ago, you probably knew the people lived above your or below you or beside you if you were in an apartment complex in the city. Today you don't. In the suburbs, for what they were worth 60, 70 years ago. You knew the people lived across the street and down the street, maybe the next block or two.

54:27 SPEAKER_01: If you lived in a small town, you knew half the people in the town. But so I think the role of community is is is long gone, unfortunately. It it doesn't mean it can't be back. It doesn't mean, but it's up to us, it's up to each one of us individually to make that action. It's up to me to say, hi. I mean, I moved into a new house recently. I I saw the lady out next door. I said hi to her this out. We chatted for a few minutes. Um, she's probably early 70s, and her husband had a stroke. He was going to be home in a couple days.

55:02 SPEAKER_01: So we got talking about that because here I'm in a power wheelchair. The guy on the other side of me unfortunately had a had a knee replacement. I've had multiple knee replacements, so I understand the aggravation of that too. And so it gave us something to talk about. There's other kids in the neighborhood, it doesn't always just older folks, it's there's younger people. And uh I think that the just the role of reaching out to other people, reaching out and showing a caring. Um I know when I went through a lot of my stuff, I not so much in the Marine Corps uh hospital for a year there, um, or the second time, but I mean I had family, of course.

55:49 SPEAKER_01: I had phone calls and I could make phone calls and and uh um so on and so forth. But it but when when I broke my neck in 81, July 4th, 1981, the third time, third time I died, and I was paralyzed from the shoulders down. The biggest, I think the biggest thing for me there was the resilience that I developed because of my faith. I I believe that faith and prayer had more to do. And I in in people that are in your audience, uh I don't discount the power of prayer. And take it from someone who's been dead and depended on prayer.

56:29 SPEAKER_01: That's a pretty strong statement. I mean, you can't get much, not like I ate the best fried chicken at Joe's place. That's that's that's a whole different story. But what after the doctor had told me, I didn't know what happened. I mean, I but he told me I'd broken my neck, I probably paralyzed from the shoulders down the rest of my life, blah, blah, blah. Well, my wife, I was married three weeks the day that it happened. She was down in front of me and she said, I met a man in the waiting room that would like to say a prayer for you.

56:58 SPEAKER_01: And if it's okay, blink your eyes. Well, that's the only thing I had that worked, was my eyes. So, you know, I blinked my eyes, he said a prayer. I don't recall what he said, but he said a prayer. And I've asked myself, Jay, over the years, this is kind of a philosophical question. What if I had not accepted that prayer? Have I ever been able to achieve all that God allowed me to achieve, regardless of how much effort I put into it? That's a good question. It's a good question. But the man that asked that prayer went to a church that had 5,000 congregants, 5,000 congregants, and he went to three services with 12, 13, 1,500 people, more every Sunday that I was in the hospital, and every Sunday for the months that I was in the rehab center asking for prayer from everybody.

57:53 SPEAKER_01: Stood up and asked it for everybody. My mother did the same in our church, and I can tell you this that during the week, I'm an overachiever, if you can't tell. I mean, I'm I don't care. Don't tell me. And they and I went through that, you know, where my left arm first started working. Raise your arm five times. Well, I'd raise it seven. They'd say, I said five, I'd raise it eight. They said, Okay, smart ass, raise it ten. I'd raise it twelve. I don't care. I am going to do it. It's like the parallel bars.

58:24 SPEAKER_01: Don't look at the day, don't look at now, look at the future. Go to the future because that's where you're going to go. Yeah. To believe that, you know, and I'm hope I'm not getting too intense on this. But it's like, but I know that during the week, just for measurement's sake, let's say I gained a quarter of an inch of movement during the fourth month there. Okay. On Sundays, when I was doing less, but I still was working out in my bed some, because that was me, I would get back a half inch. I would get back double or maybe more, but I believe it was the power of prayer lifting me up and giving me the ability to do it.

59:08 SPEAKER_01: And it and it affected me emotionally. I mean, it it did. And and I and I I've never forgotten that. So I've I've never forgotten prayer since then. And I think a good statement right here, right now, is that the reason in people ask me why didn't you quit? Because that's a chicken way out, that's the easy way out. Anybody, anybody can quit. But can anybody succeed? Can they really move through it? And I and I put it this way: God or the good Lord had enough belief in me to allow me to be conceived and born and taken through three times dead, and another time I should have died when I should have got ground up like hamburger when I was right when I was a senior in high school.

59:52 SPEAKER_01: But he, in in all these surgeries and all the other times I should have died from COVID and from MRSA staff and other things, where they sent my wife home to make funeral arrangements. No, he never gave up on me. So I am not gonna give up on him. I am gonna continue to persevere and pursue the dreams that I have and that he has for me. I'm not gonna quit. I'm gonna help other people, and I have a why in front of me. Why I'm gonna do it. Because it makes me feel good, it helps other people achieve and move forward.

1:00:28 SPEAKER_02: Oh, I love that. That is so, so, so powerful. And really quickly, Mr. J, I want to touch on the subject before we kind of close up on our time together, but I want to talk about discipline because it's a very big part of my background, um, the podcast. Um, and I think many people look for motivation, and it's one of the biggest things that a lot of people search for. How do I stay motivated? How do I stay consistent? How do I stop procrastinating? How do I stop quitting? Um, but you've lived long enough to know something most motivational speakers don't.

1:01:02 SPEAKER_02: You don't feel motivated every day. So, Mr. J, what do you do on the days when you don't feel like doing anything?

1:01:12 SPEAKER_01: Well, first of all, I never have a day in my entire life that I never feel like not doing anything. I get up. I don't maybe I don't get up motivated, but I get up with a sense of purpose, and I get up because of my discipline. And the discipline will motivate you. You discipline staying with it, the stick tuitiveness to use an old word that we had years ago, the stick tuitiveness of of discipline, of tenacity, of of consistency will drive you forward. I know that you, as a drill instructor many years ago, didn't you had a lot of people that didn't see the ability to do 10 push-ups, you know, but with the discipline and the tenacity and the consistency of it, now they're later on they're doing 20 when they never thought 10 was possible.

1:02:02 SPEAKER_01: So I it's not motivation that does that, it's the discipline. Discipline causes motivation if you think about it. Yes, and you're not motivated to be disciplined, it's the discipline that causes the other thing. And I and it's it gets back to attitude, and they call it mindset now. Back when I was when I was younger, it was attitude. You know, attitude is everything. I've got an old Marine Corps t shirt sweatshirt that says attitude is everything. And it really is. You know, we used to use the comment, you know, she needs an attitude check.

1:02:38 SPEAKER_01: You know, does that mean that she needs to get drunk or or go out and and and you know, I shouldn't say that probably, but that's well, that's what we used to talk about. The go out and get loaded, and you'll get a different, you know, because the next day you'll feel like, oh my God, I shouldn't have done that. But yeah, I I think discipline plays a big role in motivation. That's there's they're different, but they're not.

1:03:00 SPEAKER_02: Yeah. And I completely agree. All right, Mr. Jay, I want to do something really fun for our audience that is listening all over the world. I'm gonna put you in like a little bit of a hot seat. So I want to create something here for the Warriors Haven audience, and I want to call it the Warriors Reset. I want to help, I want you to help somebody listening who's in the middle of a difficult season, and I'm gonna give you five situations, and I want you to give us the principle that person needs to remember.

1:03:28 SPEAKER_02: So the first one, somebody says, I failed. I want you to answer and I want you to tell them what do they need to do next.

1:03:40 SPEAKER_01: First of all, they didn't fail if they learned something from it. I already said that. And I and I believe that if they learn something from it, act on what they learned, not on what they failed at. Don't look at the negative, look at the positive. You did get a positive on it, even if you realize don't do it again. That's a positive. What could I do next? What did I get? What were what did I want? And move forward.

1:04:06 SPEAKER_02: I love it. Okay, scenario number two. I lost something I can't get back. What do I do next?

1:04:14 SPEAKER_01: Work with what you got left because you got something left.

1:04:19 SPEAKER_02: All right, the third one. I'm scared to start over. What do I do next?

1:04:30 SPEAKER_01: Discover what it is that you believe you're afraid of because you shouldn't be afraid. Get over it. Move on. Take from what you think you're afraid of, because that's just that's an emotion, it's not a fact. And move forward.

1:04:51 SPEAKER_02: I feel like that's such a military answer. Okay, number four. I'm exhausted and I don't know if I can keep going. What do I do next?

1:05:01 SPEAKER_01: Get the hell up and get going.

1:05:05 SPEAKER_01: End of story.

1:05:07 SPEAKER_02: All right, the last one. My life doesn't look anything like I thought it would. What do I do next?

1:05:15 SPEAKER_01: What did you think it was gonna look like? You never knew, you didn't have a clue. Tell me you knew what it was. No, no, no. Your life is what you've made of it. Move forward with it and do something better. If that's now you think you know what it's gonna look like.

1:05:33 SPEAKER_02: Oh, I love it. I love it, I love it. This is why we have veterans on the show. All right, Mr. J, you've lived through enough chapters to know that life doesn't always ask permission before it changes. So I want to end with this. Imagine someone listening to this right now. They're sitting alone, they're overwhelmed, they've experienced failure, maybe they've lost somebody, maybe they've lost a business, maybe they've lost their health, maybe they've lost the person they thought they We're going to spend the rest of their life with.

1:06:02 SPEAKER_02: Maybe they simply don't recognize their own life anymore. And they're thinking, I don't know how to start again. Mr. J, what do you want that person to know about the strength they may still have inside of them?

1:06:18 SPEAKER_01: I think first of all, offer a prayer and ask for help. That's the first thing. Second of all, look inside. Look inside yourself. Reflect. What things have been positive in your life? Don't dwell on the negatives. Because you can still act on the positives. And I've experienced some of all of that. Maybe more than once or twice or three times.

1:06:58 SPEAKER_01: Keep faith, not hope. Because hope can come and go. But keep faith in what positives you have, what you've got left, the thoughts you have, smile.

1:07:13 SPEAKER_01: Because smile will help a lot. And I don't say that often. I don't know if I've ever said that. But smile. Because smile will give you a different attitude. Smile would help set your mindset. Smile. Think of something funny, maybe. There is something funny that's happened out of it. It's like, you know, people, some people get caught upset if they call me a cripple. But you know what? I I'm kind of cripple. I'm not disabled. I'm differently able. Disabilities between the ears. Disabilities between the ears when you can't think.

1:07:47 SPEAKER_01: So just look for the positives, like I said. Move ahead, say a prayer. Look, look for the things that you've got left, not what you've lost. And you still have something, or you wouldn't be alive. You know, you're here, your heart's beating, you're breathing. God's got this.

1:08:06 SPEAKER_02: Oh, Mr. Jay, thank you so much. And Mr. Jay, I want to thank you for being here. But more importantly, I want to thank you for giving us something bigger than a story. Because your story isn't really about three deaths. It isn't about 70 plus surgeries, and it isn't even about paralysis. It's about what happens after the thing you thought would destroy you. And that's what I want everyone listening to remember. You may not control what happened. You may not control what somebody else did. You may not control how quickly your circumstances change, but there still is a part of your life where you have a decision to make.

1:08:41 SPEAKER_02: What happens next? Maybe your next step isn't 10 miles. Maybe it's five feet. But five feet is still forward. And sometimes it's always too soon to quit trying. Jay, tell everyone where they can find you, learn about your book, and continue the conversation with you. And I will also put it in our show notes.

1:09:04 SPEAKER_01: Wow. Well, thank you for the comment. And I'll I'll uh I've the book I wrote is called The Strength Within You. It's Always Too Soon to Quit. I know they can get it on Amazon and Barnes and Noble, and I guess probably just punch it in. But the strength within you, it's always too soon to quit. And it does talk about some of my medical issues. It talks about some of what I've been through, but more importantly, it counts, it talks about what it's not what I happened to me, it's what I did with what happened, with what happened to me, and kept moving forward.

1:09:38 SPEAKER_01: And that's what I try to push forward is to find that you know strength within you to move through the adversities that you're going to face in life. The other thing I've got, uh, they they hacked my website, but it's back up again. And uh I tried to find a good one that would represent me, and uh I typed in never quit trying, and it came up. And I thought, how many million people from from drill sergeants to head coaches and NFL teams would like to have never quit trying? Yeah, that's my that's my website, neverquitting.com.

1:10:15 SPEAKER_01: Drop me an email, drop me something, make a comment, you know, ask a question, uh whatever you want. You can also get my book there too.

1:10:23 SPEAKER_02: Oh, I love it. I love it. I'll make sure to put all that information in the show notes as well. And to everybody listening around the world, if this conversation found you during a difficult season, don't just listen to it, use it. Take one idea, take one action, make one decision, move five feet because the Warriors Haven isn't a place where we pretend life doesn't hurt. It's a place where we learn what to do when it does. Until next time, protect your energy, strengthen your mind, build your body, know your purpose, and keep moving forward.

1:10:57 SPEAKER_02: I'm Jay, your favorite drill sergeant, and this is the Warriors Haven podcast. So, friends, like I always end, stay strong, stay focused, stay ready. I'll catch you guys on the next episode.